Just a week after 9/11, the terror attack was all over the news – including 60 Minutes II with Dan Rather when I recorded it on VHS. Transcript is below.

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Tonight, the United States is on the verge of going to war against one man, Osama Bin Laden. He has a terrorist network. And any country that provides him help or sanctuary. This is not the first time America has mobilized to unleash massive military power against Bin Laden. Just as anger is engulfing America today. Back in 1988, the United States was hurt by the simultaneous bombings of two U.S. embassies in Africa.

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And Bin Laden was held responsible. This report is about the consequences of America's decision to retaliate. Then, with new military options being discussed even as we speak now. It is important to remember what happened three years ago when we launched cruise missiles into Afghanistan. The Tomahawk cruise missile satellite guided, said to be surgically accurate, capable of delivering a 1,000 pound payload onto a precise target a half continent away.

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And on August 20th, 1998, more than 60 missiles launched from U.S. naval ships in the Arabian Sea aimed at silencing a man, Osama Bin Laden. Our target was terror. Our mission was clear to strike at the network of radical groups affiliated with and funded by Usama Bin Laden, perhaps the preeminent organizer and financier of international terrorism in the world today.

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President Clinton said those cruise missiles were programed to strike at the heart of Bin Laden's operations. And he said it was a day when Bin Laden was supposed to be meeting with his high command. The day after the missiles hit, the administration said the strikes had crippled Bin Laden's infrastructure. Now, three years later, there is serious question about what, if any, impact those missiles had on Bin Laden and if he was in fact responsible for last week's attack on the twin Towers in the Pentagon.

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Did the 1998 attack make a tough problem? Worse? There's an old military tradition known as the After Action Report, and that was reporter George Crouch's mission to journey deep into the land of Osama Bin Laden and discover just what had happened there three years ago when the American missiles hit.

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Two months ago, Khalid Quadra, a former Pakistani intelligence officer, took trial on a journey to Afghanistan. Ground zero, the place America targeted with cruise missiles. For 20 years, he has been Osama Bin Laden's teacher, comrade in arms and spiritual brother. You people are covered with throwing missiles 1000 miles in the act of stubbornness. Don't expect this kind of governance from us.

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This is supposed to be the place called Terror University. The place that Bin Laden was training thousands of terrorists. The place Bin Laden and his high command were supposed to be meeting that day. This is one piece for the cruise missiles. If it weren't for the wires and circuits and metal parts from the cruise missiles that rained down on these barren sites, you might wonder if you were in the right place about the six there were injured here.

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And this nine were killed. So these innocent people were killed by this cruise missile which were struck by United, as you might expect. And our Taliban hosts insisted that Bin Laden was not training terrorists to attack America here. We don't know if that's true, but they said that instead of hitting Bin Laden or any of his high command, many innocent people were killed or wounded.

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We don't know about that of the American people there. They are very bad people, you see. Very stupid people. We went to the American who commanded the missile attack to explain what we found in Afghanistan. Former four star U.S. Marine General Anthony Zinni. Did you agree at the time with the launching of the missiles in response? I did very little evidence, very little evidence that anything that could possibly have mattered very much to Osama Bin Laden was hit.

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That was that match. The empirical evidence you were given after the strikes? I don't think there was any physical damage infrastructure, personnel. That was significant. And then he says he knew that even before the missiles were launched, we didn't delude ourselves to thinking there were great targets out there. We know that the terrorist camps, there isn't much infrastructure.

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There isn't much there. But what about the Bin Laden terrorism summit that the president said the missiles were supposed to break up? We asked former national security adviser Sandy Berger about that. Did you did you not have information? You indicated that a meeting of at least some of Bin Laden's chief operatives, if not Bin Laden himself, was planned for a certain location a certain time, and that had to do with the timing of the strike.

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Yes. That proved to be untrue. Well, I don't know that it proved to be true that the weather, whether the strike, whether or whether the strike took place, whether at the at the peak moment or not, I think is unclear. But, those facilities continue, continued to, to operate, to train people, to kill Americans.

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General George Tenet surprised us when he said that getting Bin Laden or his high command was never one of his objectives. We certainly didn't, in any way launch those strikes with the objective to get disarm Bin Laden. And the measure of success or failure was whether Osama Bin Laden was there. I didn't cross my fingers or hope or say a prayer that by some stroke of luck, you know, we're going to have a massive terrorist formation out there.

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They're going to be giving out awards or something at morning formation, or that suddenly that the the entire planning team from Osama Bin Laden happened to be meeting right in one of those shacks. If the commander didn't expect to hit Bin Laden or to wipe out his infrastructure. Why did the United States fire scores of cruise missiles on these remote sites?

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There was a message in that missile strike. The title of the operation was Infinite Reach, and it was to demonstrate to Salman Bin Laden that he is not invulnerable behind the Himalayas and in the hills of Afghanistan, the protection of the Taliban and unreachable. There's a psychological effect that I think it did have on Osama Bin Laden.

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And, I think it sent a message to his group that we still can reach out and touch you in many places. Milt Bearden has been to those places a lot. He's the CIA officer who commanded the multibillion dollar covert campaign to support the Afghans in their victorious war against the Soviet Union. He agrees. A message was sent you.

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It does indeed send a message, and it sends a message of impotence. And beyond that, milk burden fears that the failed attack has had a devastating impact. If he had died in the strike, any doubt in your mind that the president and everybody around him would have called it a great success? Of course. But we missed. We missed.

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So what are the consequences of having missed? If you strike at a king, you must kill him. What you have done is you have made him bigger than life. Bin Laden's great friend and advisor, Khalid Quadri, says that's an understatement. He became the hero of Muslim world and Domino. We have a consensus, and most of the Muslims that consider that he's our hero and he's our leader, and he is, kind of, an contradictory leader of the Muslims.

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Now, you go and go anywhere in any of the Muslim countries, get hold of a hundred people. So if they can unite with anybody, that is Osama. So this was the problem for the Muslims. They didn't have a leader. That was the basic problem. So you have given Muslims a leader, and that was what we found most everywhere we went.

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Not just from the bearded mullahs, but from people in the city parks. Osama Bin Laden, good man. From these representatives of Pakistan's establishment. Every fifth male child born in Pakistan thereafter was named Osama to their servant in the kitchen. Why do you have, Bin Laden's picture on the roof of your school? Jihad, though just based me. I'm jihad.

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Kill. You know, and we are born for jihad and Islam. And this is why I love him. The impact Bin Laden has made struck us most at this elite prep school in Pakistan, where reporter George Quayle ran into smart, well-educated teenage boys in a physics lab. Are you proud of the fact that, so far, America has been unable to get Bin Laden?

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Yes. We are. Oh, yes. Absolutely. We are proud because they can't get him. They don't know where he is. They can't do nothing. And they are a superpower. I think he is a great leader because he's fighting, for Islam is against the enemies of Islam. The next time those missiles hits and, they actually take, Osama Bin Laden out, then the problem is solved for the United States, correct?

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But another soldier will come. But you got to kill 1000. Some are still there. You cannot distinguish between two. That we are children. We are not children. You are mujahideen and we can fight. You're not going to come if you want to. If you're trying to kill one. Then you have to find out that ten are still alive the day after them.

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As disturbing as the idea that the missile attacks may have transformed Bin Laden, the man, into Bin Laden, the movement. There is another, perhaps more troubling discovery. It's across the head there. And this is the mosque. Our team was told some of those cruise missiles hit several mosques. So it hit a mosque. Yeah. These are the minarets of the mosque.

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And the Afghanis told us there was another target hit. This religious school or madrassa. The man who runs the school showed us around to see the building and students. And he told us that six of the children were killed by an American missile. We don't know what happened there, but two families told us the same story that their sons had died in the attack.

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Former national security adviser Sandy Berger says he knows of no evidence that a mosque or a school or any other civilian facility was hit. So far as we know. Did we kill anybody with the missile attack in Afghanistan? I believe there were casualties. Yes, I believe there were people. Do you believe those people connected to some Bin Laden?

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That's our best information. Yes. That's not what these families told our reporter Croyle. Those have been in here. They said we never heard about the building before that. There's no question we never heard. We do not know who is or someone who. And three years after the attack, General Zinni still has no intelligence to suggest that a school or a mosque might have been hit.

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Assuming that what we were told is true, what should the United States response be the case of such a mistake?

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I think it would be obviously, as we do in all cases, where we have unanticipated collateral damage. I mean, we regret that that happens. It certainly wasn't in our intent to hit anything like that. We had no knowledge of it beforehand or even in this case, after. I mean, we were basing this on what the people there are saying.

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And that's why generals and he says it's critical to be concerned about rules of engagement, particularly if civilians are going to get caught in the crossfire. And if we're callous about so-called collateral damage or civilian casualties, if we're willing to seek revenge at any cost, then I think we we demonstrate to them that we're the same and we'll take the same actions, and it strengthens their cause and their resolve and justifies, in a way, their actions.

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We cannot say for certain what happened in those camps, but what we do know is that the reports of cruise missiles hitting a mosque, a religious school and killing students circulated the entire region and fueled the belief that America is an anti-Islamic power. What? Two months ago, Khalid Khawaja warned us that a second American strike could trigger a holy war.

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Osama reserves the right to retaliate. But he is not going to retaliate alone. All of us. He's a symbol of Muslims respect to all of us are going to retaliate together and we will just do it openly. Then that is all. It is a jihad one. It's jihad. Then there's no problem. We'll do it. The world has changed dramatically since Khawaja issued that warning.

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And yesterday from Pakistan, Khawaja told us that Bin Laden was not responsible for last week's attacks. It may also be worth noting that President Bush this week was quoted as belittling President Clinton's idea of using missile strikes to eliminate Osama Bin Laden, saying, what's the sense of sending $2 million missiles into a $10 tent that's empty?

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He is the fire commissioner for New York City. But Thomas von Essen is really much more than that. Bureaucratic title suggests. He was a firefighter himself, who worked his way up from the truck to the top job and became the tough love boss and father confessor to a force of 11,000 men. Last Tuesday, he lost more of them in a few moments that the department had lost in the past 50 years.

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A shattering blow to a city. One can only imagine the effect on the man you want. If you want to just go over here, might be out of the way, and you get a sense of the whole picture. You're going to have to orient me here, because I feel lost. Okay? Yeah, well, I can understand why this was a foot bridge that went to, one of the buildings or attached to World, World Trade Center, the south tower number two.

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This is just next to that one over there is one seven. World Trade Center was on the other side, collapsed, told the seventh guard to complete the Gantlet as the full impact of this really sunk in on you know, it's just buildings and we can rebuild buildings. But there's 5000 people that are in the I don't know how or when the enormity of that will sink in to anybody that's working here or any citizen of this city, other country, using the language of your profession.

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When does this start becoming a rescue effort and become a recovery effort, as you're calling it? We're not too far away from that. I wouldn't be surprised if we're a day or two away from that. We want to kind of wean the guys down to realizing with saying it every day. There's almost no hope. Each day there's less than almost no hope.

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And then we'll always have a presence here as we begin to bring more heavy equipment in. The cops aren't going to leave their guys in there. My guys aren't going to leave their guys in the. Just over a week ago, it was the commissioner's job to get his guys in. On that morning of September the 11th. Where were you when you first heard of this?

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Actually, I was on East River drive and I saw smoke in the air. And I said to my guys, it looks like there's a job. Let's let's put the radio on and respond. And we went right into the lobby of One World Trade Center. My guys just kept rolling in, rolling and rolling in. And then the second plane hit the, South tower.

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You were in. You were in the North Tower when it hit the center? Yeah. His men continued to roll in their first mission to get thousands of people out of harm's way. Then the unthinkable happened. As we speak, between missing and confirmed killed. How many men? Over 340. You knew most of them. Well, that's one of the problems I've got.

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But when you come from inside, you know, for 31 years. Yeah, I. I feel like I know, everybody, all their sons. I look at the list and I see people whose sons, are lost, and I guys I know who retired that, have snuck in to that pile, crawling in through the voids looking for their son.

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And among the first casualties, his highest ranking officers, legends within the department, his first deputy, William Finn, chief Peter Ghazi, the dead and the likely dead include 18 battalion chiefs, 20 captains and most of the members of 40 companies and more. Specially trained rescue units. They were among the first to enter the towers. My special operations command is is devastated.

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You know, we had five rescues and seven squads. Almost every one of them was in operation in that building at the time. These were the elite troops compartment, correct? Yeah. The list goes on. Father Michael Judge, the department chaplain. Just the day before the attack, he spoke some prophetic words at the rededication of a firehouse and nothing of worrying about tomorrow.

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Let tomorrow take care of itself. Do our job and to save lives. And life goes on. Less than 24 hours later, father judges body was carried from the scene by the men who were his parishioners. Tell me about father. Judge. Father judge, I don't know what to say about him. I just recently had him, Chris and my granddaughter.

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You know, and, just a good man. Always in trouble with the church because he used to give us general absolution. He'd he'd walk into a room and say, you know, you guys are doing God's work, so you're all forgiven. All your sins are forgiven. In the bush, somebody would read them out to the bishop and he get in trouble.

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But he was just a caring, warm hearted guy, and he was right down the line. Yeah, he was giving last rites to a firefighter. Danny, sir was also a terrific kid on the street. The most common thread of this story since I've been watching it. From survivors is of people going down the stairs, watching firefighters go up the stairs.

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And it happens all the time. I mean, it happens in six story tenements and you can never have this type of of loss going on when it's happening in a building. It's more than a hundred stories, but a lot of people needed help and they help people on the way up, and they got people out first and they would, would, would have.

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So there's a lot of people alive today because of their efforts. So they they were not in vain. You do a pretty good job of keeping yourself composed in public view and at these press conferences. What happens when you go home? Well, fortunately, when I go home, I fall asleep. But, I'm an emotional person, so it's a little harder for me.

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And and I know so many. That makes it harder for me. The mayor said the other day that, if you cry a lot, it makes you stronger. Well, I'm going to be a gorilla by the time this is over. There was no shortage of tears or of shock. New York City and these men who have become the heart of the place, have been in emotional overdrive for nine days now.

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They continue to scratch the earth looking for fallen comrades. Last night they found the remains of one of their heroes, Timothy Stackpole. Tell me about him. It's a particular, problem for me talking about, Cam Stackpole. The previous worst night for me. And his job was about three summers ago. And Captain Stackpole and some other guys were in a, a collapse of a fire on Atlantic Avenue.

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So he spent, two years getting himself back in shape. He had burn scars on both legs. He was an inspiration to, anybody, in my department. And, he just recently gone back to work, and I just promoted him also recently. He was excited about being a captain. And, the idea of of losing, Timmy Stackpole is just, the, unacceptable to me, but unfortunately, I'm,

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I don't have control over it. As you said, he could have retired a three quarters pension, which is more than you make when you're working. Why? Why did he come back? He loved what he what he what he what he did. His wife is stronger than me about it. She's, consoling me, telling me that, this.

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That's what Tim you want to do. That's the only way it had to be. So, he died. Doing what? What he wanted to do. What has been the effect of this on the rest of the force? On the morale? The morale in this department is great. The guys love what they do, complain a lot, but they love what they do.

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I haven't had time to. I told anybody who's got a problem to suck it up and move on. There's no problem that anybody that's out there today has that meets the problem of the 343 families that, their members, their husbands or sons or loved ones are missing. So suck it up and just do your job. You're a tough guy.

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You have a reputation. You're a tough firefighter. You're a tough union leader. Tough commissioner. Are you as tough as you look? Do I look tough to you now? No I, I just, I know that it's important for, somebody to grab hold of this and go with it. And it's my job and that's what I'll do.

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But I can't tell you, how this, What kind of effect is going to have on me? I don't know, for a while, I guess, but that's like I say, my problem is, minuscule. I'm here. I'm still enjoying my granddaughter. There's a lot of guys that, don't have that luxury anymore, so we're not going to worry about my problems right now.

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As we've just heard, it's a recurring theme. People desperately running downstairs as firemen raced up the stairs toward the inferno. Now, hundreds of those men are missing men devoted to saving lives and to each other. Which brings us to squad 18. A third of this elite squad is missing, and the survivors have been working around the clock to find their brothers.

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We sat with some members of the squad who arrived at the scene after the collapse. Mike Connolly, Lieutenant Pete Campanelli, Gary Moore and Dan Castellano all stole a few precious moments to talk about those. They've lost men who were among the first to arrive at the scene. Gary, do you have any idea what what floor they had gotten to, how far they had gotten into the building?

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No. Knowing that they were going to be the first arriving units, that they're going to be probably the farthest up the up the towers. Farthest up the towers meant no time for escape. Everyone on duty from squad 18 was buried in the collapse. Lieutenant Billy McGinn, Eric Allen, Manny Modica, Andy Fredericks, Dave Halderman, Larry Virgilio, and Timmy Haskell.

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Since then, the surviving squad members, all of whom were off duty that morning, have worked 24 hour shifts, digging through the wreckage to find their brothers who knew him better than the guys who spent, worked with, and spent their time within the firehouse. We knew him the best we got. You know where the real closest to family member.

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We want to be there. You dig? And you dig in. And they cut and they dig and you cut. You dig and you know you're on your hands and knees here and very you know, there's not there's not much room to operate. It's so very slow going. It has taken hours at times to get one guy. It's hellish.

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It's it's pretty. Pretty. That's what it really reminded me when I kind of had hell in my mind. Is just, metal in all kinds of different angles. Poles, steam, smoke rising. It's, It's so. It's horrible. The brothers are down there, and you want to get them home. Whether it's good news, a bad news, you you want them out of there and you want to bring them back.

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How many have you found? Four out of seven. At that moment, when you find someone. What's the overriding emotion? You know, mourn their loss, but celebrate their life. Manny was a big, burly biker. Buddy. Like a teddy bear. Tough guy with a heart of gold.

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Larry. Virgilio. He was, fun to be around. You know, he'd go see opera and Shakespeare. Probably more cultured than the typical fireman. Yes. What was Andy like? Andy was a heavy, family oriented guy. His love was his family. And the second was his for the fire department. What about Eric? Eric? It's like Jack of all trades. He,

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He could do anything. You needed something. Eric was right there. And if you didn't need something, he could tell you what you do need. Yes. That's right. No problem. Lieutenant Higgins? No. He's always known as a aggressive fire fighter. But he was, a controlled aggression. I could I could picture him just jumping off that rig and getting up there.

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Me two steps at a time and just like, let's go, let's go. Come on, let's go. Because he realized. What do. What was at stake? Dave was, he was a doer. His dad was on the job. His brother is on the job. He was a guy who did it and and got it done. Good. Good man. Timmy was probably, like, the best looking guy in the firehouse.

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Besides Gary. If he was born on a West coast, he'd be a typical California surfer. Dudes hanging ten or whatever. Timmy was another super guy. Timmy, his brother's missing at this point, though. Timmy's brother was captain right below us. It is. It is outrageous. Do you have conflicting emotions now? People talk about survivor's guilt. Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. I have said that.

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They said that to the chaplain the other night. Said they feel guilty that I'm glad I wasn't there at that night. Did any of you think. I wish I was something other than a firefighter today. No, no. Not on Tuesday morning. You know, Tuesday morning. I'm going to be there today, tonight, tomorrow and next week. And next month is still going to be the fire department of New York.

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And we'll do it. We'll have to do. Firefighters tend to come from generations of firefighters. They say it's in their blood. But for Lieutenant Pete Campanelli, whose father and brother are also firemen, the chain might soon be broken. I don't think my son's going to come up behind me, and. I'm happy about that. Why? It's it's it's a dangerous job.

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Really. Is.

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The danger from the collapsed towers has not ended. Rescuers are working inside a structure that no one understands well. The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers is on the ground helping recovery crews attack this mountain, which the Army calls the red zone. We've been with this team, led by Lieutenant General Bob flowers, the chief of Engineers. When a building like that, implodes, there is, it's very difficult as that stuff piles on top of, steel concrete, reinforcing glass, furniture as that, all piles up that can be very unstable.

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General flowers. Structural engineers are at the scene. Tower one, tower two. Right. All right, Liberty Street. Calculating the odds in a running gamble with life and death. Vibration is probably our biggest concern. When rescuers reach a new area. They ask the engineers what will happen if they cut this steel or move that concrete. The engineers are watching for signs of further collapse, especially one massive structure that worries flowers the most.

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Can you give me some sense of what we're talking about there? It's part of the top of the, one of the towers that inverted itself as it fell and stuck itself into the ground. And that, structure is leaning. And so there's a survey instrument watching it to see if it's going to shift position so that you can give some warning to the to the relief workers who are working below it.

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How much warning, how much warning? Don't know. This is the base of what was the World Trade Center towers, the south tower down there, the north tower just behind me. It's been estimated that this debris weighs 500,000 tons. And it's not just debris from the Trade Center. The corps has monitors on five other buildings around the site watching for signs of collapse.

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We, were at, ground zero yesterday and met, one of the urban search and rescue teams from Texas that was on site. And he was standing there and he, shook my hand and he said, thank God that we have, this guy with us. And he was pointing to one of our structural experts. They're making his experts commute on boats across New York Harbor by train.

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And Kelly Jason is an engineer who was on the team in Oklahoma City. You're trying to come to some appraisal of where people are in that building. Well, that's a difficult, process right now because the structure was attacked and there was a time between then and the end of the class where people were moving. And this situation of Oklahoma City, you have an instantaneous explosion and a failure.

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We know where there's people should have been on in their office. And if you just calculate where they may have fallen, we could map that. But here we had people moving around, heading for stairwells and doing as much as they can to exit the building. So it's really a difficult situation to tell where those people were and where they, you know, they ended up because they were running.

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Yes, yes. So we have, you know, we can just tell you, you know, most of them are in the stairwells trying to get to the exits. Boats run by the Corps of Engineers were used during the attack to help evacuate thousands trapped between the towers and the water. Brigadier General Steve Rhodes is the commander in New York. What I saw reminded me of the Dunkirk evacuation from World War Two.

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Tugboats, Corps of engineers boats. Water ferry votes. Contractor boats. Civilian privately owned boats were evacuating people off of South Manhattan. And one of the actually, quite frankly, more organized evacuations of something like that I have ever witnessed. The Army Corps of Engineers is also working at the second attack site. They built the Pentagon in 1943, and many, including General Flours, lost friends here, general, that you're building?

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Absolutely. Fortunately, the section that was hit was part of a renovation that included new fortifications against terrorist attack. Look at the windows. They didn't break some additional force protection and structural protection had been placed in that part of the Pentagon, which I'm sure limited some of the damage and helped with reducing fatalities at the World Trade Center. Of course, there was no such protection.

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Soon, the search for life will end in a huge effort to clear, the wreckage will begin in earnest. There are many open engineering questions, but already there is a timetable for the future. You must have made at least some crude estimate on how long it takes to clean that up in the city. Has that estimate scanned? Can you give me some sense?

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I would say that they are talking in goals of 45 to 60 days, 45 to 60 days. That is what I have heard. Right. Much faster than I imagined. New York is serious about moving through the sensitive. Recovery crews working at the World Trade Center have found the bodies of three people holding hands in the rubble. More than 5000 remain missing.

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That means only about 2% of the bodies have been found. You'll understand why the going is so slow when you see the place where the debris is being taken. Ours were the first cameras allowed onto the site, where hundreds of people are sifting through a mountain of evidence.

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This is the morgue for a monument. All of the wreckage of the World Trade Center is being carried by truck and barge to this abandoned landfill on Staten Island, 18 miles from the scene of the attack. It is here that the sorting will be done. The separation of building human remains and evidence. Windows two. Full windows section.

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Yeah. It's, American Airlines. The sad part is you can just vision people looking out the damn windows. You know, two window frames with the distinctive blue stripe of American Airlines. This would be part of flight 11 from Boston. The 767 jumbo jet that led the attack. Sergeant Ray Sheehan is responsible for cataloging the evidence. At times, we're pulling out seats, which you can identify as being from an airplane because of the armor, the way the armrests mechanism blows because it has seatbelts.

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But mostly the pilots were pulling out of small walk along the remains, and you notice two things. First, there's no color. It's all shades of gray. Second, almost nothing here is familiar. No obvious objects. No hint of humanity. New York City Chief of Detectives William Alley runs this part of the crime scene investigation. Chief, when we're over there, everything is just pulverized.

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What are you finding in there that you can recognize? You have to understand something about a New York City detective. This is what we do. This is what we are. We don't overlook anything. And we look for not only for things that could help an investigation, but to try to find something. Whether it's the remains of someone, something personal, some identification piece of equipment to be able to give back to the family members of the people who are lost.

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Finding what has been lost is painstaking labor, trying to make sense of the debris and sometimes, sometimes finding something whole, like an honorary plaque that might have hung in an office. Your men are finding some personal effects, of course, in all of this. What are some of the ones that stick in your mind that you've seen? It did cause for employers.

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I find it amazing. Go through all the debris to all the devastation that these wallets stay intact with people at the identification cards are ripped off and mutilated. But a lot of cases they are. You have refrigerated trucks here. That is correct. And it goes to the medical examiner for possible DNA typing at a later time. DNA is done on every single, body part.

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We, we recover. Dogs are working this mix of mud and steel searching for the scent of the victim. Because what the workers are looking for is often too small to see. We saw helmets and police officers smashed respirators of police officers and firemen and firemen. Those are your men? Yeah. What do you think when you see that equipment that you.

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Well, I'm. Like you said, you know, it's, bunch of us were dead when it happened in the. Kind of escape, but with the grace of God. And, you think about that. That could have been us that they were looking for. New York's police commissioner, Bernie Kerik, came to the landfill to encourage the men and women who are working in the filth and the dust and the stench.

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Who are these men and women? Well, we have but 3 to 400 people up here right now, not including the military. They have a guy a here 79 years old. He retired from the police department 31 years ago. And he's up there. Work with these kids, you know, sifting through the, the evidence. I can't imagine anything more heartbreaking than being in there with a rake for 12 hours.

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How do they do it? It takes a toll on you mentally. It takes a toll on you physically. But with devoted. And everyone out here is devoted to getting the job done the best we can. Among the only colors found in the gray debris have been these. They are the stars and stripes that flew in the plaza between the towers Liberty Plaza.

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Those who work below them now are searching for remains that might allow a family to wrap a flag around a coffin and reclaim one more name from a field of lost souls.

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We've all had thoughts about the tragedy that's consumed us this past week. Here are Charles Grodin's things kind of came to a standstill for a lot of us this past week, so I decided to clean out some old files. I've kept on different issues. I never got past a my file on airline safety. Here are some notes which reflect what was prominently being reported in the media on airline safety five years ago.

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We should always be on heightened alert. Security personnel is insufficient and not properly trained. Government agents in a test were able to board a plane with fake bombs. Some people in authority seem to have a powerful reluctance to face reality, even after a plane had hit the first World Trade Center building. People in the second building were being told to stay at their desks.

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Some did and died. Israel, which never had a feeling of invulnerability, hasn't had a hijacking in over 30 years. They know they can't be lax and now we know are too lax. Doesn't seem a sufficient word when we realize the airspace above the Pentagon and White House was not sufficiently protected. Did you know that it was okay to carry a knife on an airplane with a blade up to four inches long?

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Did the hijackers even need to conceal their box cutters? All of that has already changed. But at what cost? The thousands of people, including devout Muslims who were working at their desks one minute and gone the next. There are many images of the devastation from this past week. I was particularly struck by that photograph of the beloved priest, Father Michael Judge, who lost his life as he was giving last rites to one of the hundreds of firefighters who raced to put themselves in the most dangerous place on September 11th.

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We lost more people in one day at the tip of Manhattan in peacetime than we have on any other day in the history of our country, including during war. And now we have just lost the peace. My first job when I came to New York all those years ago, was with the Pinkerton Detective Agency. My mind has always gone toward security.

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It's not fun, but it's necessary. I'm Vicki Mayberry. We'll be back next Wednesday with another edition of 60 Minutes to Tomorrow, a special edition of 48 hours at eight seven Central. Now, here's what else is ahead. From CBS news. The search for those responsible and Washington's plan of action in our war against terrorism. America rising. Tomorrow morning on The Early Show with Bryant Gumbel and Jane Clayson following the terror trail, how real are radicals threats against countries that want to help the U.S.?

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America rising. Tomorrow on the CBS Evening News with Dan Rather.